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readsalot ([personal profile] readsalot) wrote2005-06-20 07:53 pm

There's glory for you!

I went into the Lexington Center Walden Books this evening, to see if I could find a copy of Howl's Moving Castle to reread, now that I've seen the movie (about which more later). I went to the YA section, and was very confused, because the books seemed to be in no order that was humanly comprehensible. And, really, I can usually find order: I was always very good at those tests where they give you a set of numbers and ask what's the next one. But there seemed to be no order here. I could see books by some authors in large clumps, but why were the ones by Brian Jacques far after the ones by Terry Pratchett?

So, I went up to the cashier, and waited patiently while other people bought their books, and finally said that I'd been to the YA section, and the books seemed to be in no particular order. The woman at the register explained that they were in order, by author and series title. I said, "Oh, ok," and went back to look, but still, the order was not. I went back and said, "No, really, there is no order," and she explained, patiently, that it was by author and series title. Now, part of the problem here is that I use the logical "and" by default, so to me she was saying that series title replaced book title within the list of an author's books, and that's not what she meant. Eventually I understood. What they mean by "order" is that, well, let's say we have books in no particular series by Diana Wynne Jones, and Discworld books by Terry Pratchett, and Redwall books by Brian Jacques. The order you'd see on the shelf would be Pratchett, then Jones, then Jacques. Because, you see, the real ordering would be Discworld, Jones, Redwall.

This makes no sense. What do you do if an author has written three phenomenally successful series? (I think they'd be ordering by author, on the grounds that only then will people remember the author's name, but I'm not sure). Why have they done this? It seems that its only purpose is to force people to ask for more help when finding books, and that's only going to lead to frustration and lost sales when people have to wait behind the other people trying to pay, and the people wanting to pay then have to wait while someone is led to the appropriate book, and...aaaarrrrgghh.

Oh, and Howl's Moving Castle has apparently not been reissued lately. It was in their computer system as book 1 of a series, which for some reason made the store worker I'd been talking to feel semi-triumphant over me (maybe it demonstrated that all YA books really are part of a series?), with a graphic novel coming out soon (presumably something based on the movie.)
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[identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I can probably find my copy of HMC if you'd like to borrow it.

[identity profile] readsalot.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, but no, I think I'll search for my own copy some more, or wait until Readercon and see if one of the dealers there has it. I was in the bookstore mostly because I was eating dinner nearby, and thought I'd go in and check.
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[identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I thought it was odd that your bookstore claimed it was OOP: Amazon shows it as in-print with the following details (plus hardcover and library editions):

Mass Market Paperback: 336 pages
Publisher: HarperTrophy (August 1, 2001)
Language: English
ISBN: 006441034X
Product Dimensions: 6.8 x 4.2 x 0.9 inches

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006441034X/qid=1119388656/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-9285950-0617532?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[identity profile] readsalot.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It may still not be in print--back in the late 80's, when I used to order old books from Wordsworth using Books In Print as my reference, I found that many books are listed as "in print" when they're not, really. Sometimes there would a copy in the distributor's warehouse, and sometimes not, and the only way to find out is to make someone look.
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[identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Because my curiosity was hopelessly piqued, I checked the HarperCollins site, which also said the title was available, and then I called their semi-secret CS/ordering/stock availability line (1-800-242-7737, 1, 1, 1, and enter ISBN) which said that it is out-of-stock and expected to be available again on July 14th.

[identity profile] firstfrost.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. That's really funny. :)
If I were to think of a reason (other than "sheer perversity"), it sounds like the sort of ordering you would come up with if you've never thought very hard about ordering (or if you have only had to sort things that didn't have some sort of constant index): I'll sort it by the thing I'm thinking about when I think of the book.
Now, maybe this is actually useful for kids looking for books: "Where are the discworld books?" "Under D, for Discworld". But only if *they* know what the system is.

[identity profile] readsalot.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure that they (or at least someone at a managerial level there) think that this will make things easier. I also kind of wish I could be in there to see what happens when people try to make use of their wondrous new system. I think that the real solution would be to try to convince kids that it's useful to remember the names of their favorite authors.

That's quite perverse.

[identity profile] twe.livejournal.com 2005-06-28 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I was never very impressed with Walden Books though..

On, and how was the movie? I didn't realize it was based on a book. Should I read the book before the movie, or will that just make me hate the movie?